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starting November 10th people who use digital TVs to watch Comcast without a cable box will likely lose channels unless they get a new device.
QAM is just a way of transmitting digital TV signals, sort of like AM and FM for radio.
a memo was sent out to comcast Employees that people who use digital TVs to watch Comcast without a cable box will likely lose channels unless they get a new device. (QAM is a way of transmitting digital TV signals, sort of like AM and FM for radio.)
people that have boxes that are supplied by comcast are fine the only applies to people that tune in to a channel like 68-312 to see A&E anyone that tunes it in on just 52 is just fine.

below is that email

RE: Content Protection Rollout

As part of Project Cavalry, Comcast began deploying digital transport adapters, or DTAs, to provide Comcast’s Expanded Basic analog customers with digital service. Since the start of Project Cavalry, Comcast had to turn off encryption (also known as digital content protection) on Expanded Basic channels for a limited period of time. Due to a recent FCC ruling, Comcast is now able to deploy digital content protection technology to DTAs. Comcast has begun notifying customers about its plans to “turn on” digital content protection on DTAs that have been deployed to date.

When It’s Happening

For our Region, the encryption process begins on November 10th. Customers are starting to receive notification this week via notices in local newspapers. In addition, customers that we have identified as being impacted by the encryption will receive additional notices starting next week through the encryption period. We are planning to encrypt channels in two groups on November 10th and 17th.

Receiving In-the-Clear Channels

In-the-clear channels are channels that a customer receives via their QAM TV tuner and not via their digital device. In order to receive the “in the clear” digital channels, a customer with a QAM TV would have had to “scan” for channels using the on-screen menus included with their TV during the brief window of time the channels were unencrypted. If a customer with a QAM TV never re-scanned for channels following the start of Project Cavalry in a market, they likely had not been receiving any digital channels, and would be receiving only the Limited Basic analog channels on their TV.

Non-Impacted Customers

The following groups of customers are not impacted by the content protection process.

ü Any customer TV connected to a digital device
Customers with TVs connected to a cable box, DTA or CableCard will experience no loss of channels or service with the implementation of digital content protection.

ü Limited Basic Customers (who do not have QAM TVs)
Customers with only Limited Basic service will not experience a disruption in service during Comcast’s latest network enhancement.

Potentially Impacted Customers

At-Risk Customers are any customers who have a QAM tuner TV not connected to digital device. This includes these three situations:

û QAM TVs with Expanded Basic or Digital Starter level of service NOT connected to a digital device
After the encryption process, these customers will need a digital device to view all channels in their package.

û QAM TVs receiving over-the-air HD channels
These customers will no longer be able to view over-the-air high-definition broadcast channels without adding an A/B switch. [more info]

û QAM TVs with Limited Basic service that have been receiving Expanded Basic channels in the clear

These customers will not be able to receive the Expanded Basic channel lineup without upgrading their level of service and obtaining a digital device.

FAQs and Employee Talking Points

What is a QAM Tuner?

· A QAM tuner is a device present in some televisions that allows the TV to receive “in-the-clear” digital channels without a digital cable box.

· In some cases, QAM tuners on HDTVs allow customers to receive over-the-air HD channels. Typically these channels include local affiliates for CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX. Once a DTA or a Standard Definition digital cable box is connected to a television, the customer with a QAM tuner will have to use an A/B switch to continue viewing over-air HD programming on their television. Or, a customer can receive even more HD programming by upgrading to an HD capable cable box from Comcast.

What does a customer watching Expanded Basic cable channels via a QAM TV not attached to a digital device have to do?

In order to receive Expanded Basic or higher service, customers must have Comcast digital equipment, either a DTA, digital cable box, or CableCard from Comcast connected to their TV.

· Expanded Basic customers are eligible for 1 digital cable box and up to 2 DTAs at no additional charge.

· Digital Starter or above customers are eligible for up to 2 DTAs, at no additional charge/included with the service.

· If the customer wants to upgrade to HD service, an HD capable digital cable box or CableCard on a CableCard compatible device is required. There will be an additional monthly charge for this.

Why is Comcast implementing digital content protection now? And why are QAM tuners impacted now?

We have always protected the content on our service. Many of our programming contracts require that we protect our channels from unauthorized viewing.

For a brief period of time, certain customers with QAM TVs may have temporarily been able to access channels that they had not subscribed to, or channels that require a box to view them. For these customers, we are providing three digital devices at no additional cost to receive Expanded Basic channels. It is important to note that all other non-cable operators require a box to receive these same services.

Will customers need equipment if they have a digital TV with a QAM tuner?

Yes. At the completion of Comcast’s latest network enhancement, customers will need equipment on all TVs to receive any channels above the Limited Basic level of service. Comcast currently plans to make the Limited Basic level of service available in analog format, with no equipment required. Furthermore, Limited Basic customers with QAM TVs will be able to view Limited Basic digital channels without additional equipment. We are providing Expanded Basic customers with three digital devices at no additional cost.

How many Comcast customers have QAM tuner televisions and/or will be impacted?

There is no way of knowing how many of our customers own QAM tuner televisions; however, the universe of impacted customers is likely very small. In order to receive the “in the clear” digital channels, a customer with a QAM TV would have had to “scan” for channels using the on-screen menus included with their TV during a small window of time during Project Cavalry.

Do other video providers, such as DirecTV or DISH use digital content protection to encrypt channels?

Yes. All video providers are contractually required to protect the content they distribute from unauthorized reception. There are a variety of technologies used, which is why the equipment used is typically specific to a service provider.

What will a customer watching Expanded Basic cable channels via a QAM tuner TV not attached to a digital device see after digital content protection is turned on?

If service is interrupted on a QAM tuner television, channels may be displayed in several different ways, depending on the manufacturer/make of the TV. Some TVs may display a blue screen, some will display snow and some may broadcast the TV manufacturer’s message.

If customers currently have Comcast Expanded Basic service and receive broadcast high-definition (HD) channels with their QAM tuner TV, how will this be affected by using a DTA?

These customers will no longer be able to view over-the-air high-definition broadcast channels without adding an A/B switch. Comcast will provide everything necessary to continue viewing these channels to these customers at no additional charge (an A/B switch, splitter and the appropriate cables). Customers can pick these up at their local Comcast office or order a self-install kit from our national support center.

Additionally, Comcast offers HD cable boxes for a monthly equipment fee, which provides access to cable networks in HD, and over 1,000 HD choices.

Limited Basic customers with a QAM TV would continue to be able to view broadcast HD channels without Comcast equipment. There is no charge for HD content only equipment.

So as a Comcast customer who

So as a Comcast customer who has an HDTV and a DVR, DCT, 2 DVD recorders and subscribes to all the premium channels is there anyway I can use my QAM tuner to get WGN at 107.12 or .13 using the cable directly in the back of my set. I currently get it and all the point channels.

Using their DVR I might pick up a Portland channel at the the default of 720p then tune to the same channel straight over the cable and receive it at 1080i. The DVR defaults to 720p each time and I must change it in user settings to 1080i. But straight over the cable 8.1 and 10.1 are 1080i.

My main concern is keeping WGN as Comcast doesn't broadcast it here in their lineup but we get it at 480i using the qam tuner. Currently we receive many point channels like 64.9 etc. Oh, I also have a dta hooked up so I can watch 2 channels at the same time on the screen.

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Not every broadcast station transmits 1080

NBC, CBS and PBS broadcast 1080, while FOX and ABC opt for the 720 format. So while you're tuned to FOX or ABC, you won't be getting the 1080 format. And not all syndicated program is available in 1080 Some shows such as Jeopardy and WOF are available in 1080 however for various reasons a station may not transmit in the 1080 format and air it in standard definition. you may be able to have your tuner or receiver show a wide screen format, but it doesn't mean it's in HD

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I vote for non renewal of the

I vote for non renewal of the Comcast franchise agreement. Assimilation of the fiber cable as a public utility allowing the people of this community to decide how much you need to pay for "free service" both TV and high speed internet.

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I hate satellite...

But this crap from Comcast made me look into uverse/directv/dishnetwork last night.. guess what, it's about 30 to 50% cheaper with 2 or 3 HD DVR devices and MORE channels! Will have to keep comcast for internet, but that will be it. Will call their retention team to see what they can offer to keep me, but not keeping my hopes up (2 HD DVR's at no charge/mo, or 35% price drop would probably do it)

PS: My $200 HDHomerun is almost obsolete because of this change (along with 3 media center PC's). I decided to rescan last night until the shoe drops and they encrypt everything... and guess what, I couldn't identify most of the channels quickly, because at any given moment, ~70% of them were playing commercials! Why do I decide to pay for this crap, at a tune of about $700/year? I don't know. Heck, I might be happy with OTA full HD, good ole' antenna solution, and getting all the shows I actually want to watch via the internet in full hd and sometimes w/o commercials (ymmv). Maybe they will then drop the cap to 100GB a month from the current 250GB, just to keep people from doing this.

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We're dropping cable

We've just begun phasing out cable in my house, opting for free over-the-air programming instead. Most of what we watch is on the major networks, and pretty much everything else is available online. We've set up a TV tuner in our recently converted media center PC, and (finally) found an antenna that works to pick up the local channels, so now we can record the stuff that we want without paying through the nose. We live in Cornelius (west of Hillsboro) but we still get over 20 channels, many of them with HD programming. There are two dedicated children channels (22.2 Qubo and 24.5 Smile of a Child) which is great for those times when we want to put on something quick and kid friendly. We're still working out the kinks (depending on the channel, there are jaggies) but I remain hopeful that this will be a good solution for us. If nothing else, it'll save us $80/mth.

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Dropped cable the end of January

I went OTA at the end of January. The only thing I miss is ESPN2 for NHRA drag racing but not missing it enough to make it worth the $80+ for cable. I do like the higher-quality HD picture of OTA vs. cable or satellite!

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Don't Miss It

Haven't had cable or satellite for over 2 years and my wife and I don't miss it at all.

We're rocking Verizon FiOS for internet and between what is freely available on network websites and places like Hulu, as well as over-the-air, we get to watch all the shows we're interested in!

As the cost of cable (and satellite) television has gone up, so has the frequency of television commercials on all the channels. Why should I pay $50+ for a piece of coax to be strung to my house, plus sit through revenue generating commercials? I'll do one or the other, but definitely not both.

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I think the HDHomeRun

I think the HDHomeRun actually does become fully obsolete with this Comcast change. I wonder how people with Microsoft PC's running Media Center will be able to utilize the TV watch/record functions now. Personally, I wish that I hadn't bought my HDHomeRun device about six months ago - but if it weren't for this latest Comcast encryption announcement, the HDHomeRun really would have remained a great device (QAM-TV over ethernet)...

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FINAL NOTICE FOR QAM COMCAST CUSTOMERS

this is a final notice.
this change is to start on Tuesday

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Who lost all the channels?

We lost about 10 channels. I expect more will go. Thoughts?

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Lost about 10 as

Lost about 10 as well...somehow the 2 most important to me--ESPN and ESPN2. Annoyed. Comcast, your crappy boxes don't jive with my AV set up. Good bye.

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Windows Media Center Alive and Well

"I wonder how people with Microsoft PC's running Media Center will be able to utilize the TV watch/record functions now. "

Get Windows 7 on a PC. Get the Ceton tuners when they become available (early next year). Get CableCARDs from your cable provider at the fraction of the cost of a set-top box. Get all your (subscribed) cable channels fully decrypted and watch live TV and/or record through Media Center. Life is sweet.

(I went another route: PC with the external Hauppauge HD-PVR + an HD set-top box and installed SageTV software instead of using Media Center. However, I will be switching to the above setup over the next 6-12 months).

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Crap

We've been using an Eyetv Hybrid for the past year to tune in (and record) shows on our iMac. We have a digital box, but no tv, so we need the computer to watch everything. After the first phase of this encryption, we lost clear QAM ESPN and ESPN2 (including the Ducks game) through the eyetv. Now we have to run the signal from the digital box through a/v cables into the eyetv. the quality loss is enormous, as well as the loss of being able to conveniently record our favorite shows. unfortunately for comcast, the quality they offer through the boxes is on par with the many, many free offerings on the internet (my wife thought the digital box-fed Ducks game was an internet feed). this just seems like a really bad move in the long term, akin to the missteps by ibm in keeping pace with market demands. at least they have a corner on high speed internet, so we'll still be getting tv from them, albeit indirectly.

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It's all about control -- by the content providers

"just seems like a really bad move in the long term"

Well you'll have to blame the content providers (e.g. networks) who want their distributed content protected.

Previously, Comcast controlled access to such content via traps, etc. The vast majority of clear QAM channels you got (temporarily) were never meant to be permanently available in the clear -- they were just unencrypted as part of the transition from analog to digital delivery.

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I couldn't disagree more.

I think history has borne out that instituting onerous and unnecessary obstacles to free use of content by those who are legitimately paying for it has done absolutely nothing to discourage piracy, and in fact, has probably helped to drive its growth.

And your equation of a physical trap on a line to prevent the reception of services that one doesn't pay for with the new mandatory (and low quality) hardware that Comcast is forcing on its subscribers in order to use the services that they are paying for is a long stretch.

Certainly, Comcast has the right to require whatever equipment they want, I'm not questioning that. What I'm questioning is the wisdom of a business model that is not willing to adapt to the changing landscape that they operate in. I think we've seen that one repeated a few times in the past decade, and the results have been almost uniformly bad.

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ITS OVER

well as of 1:21 am Tuesday NOV. 17TH the standard cable qam viewing is now over

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Good riddance to Comcast

To h*ll with Comcast with their bloated rates and low quality picture. We dropped to Basic cable for $10.00 per month and while we are still getting these upper channels like 68.314 or 65.21 for TVLand we don't watch them anyway. Half of them disappeared in the last week and I assume tonight or tomorrow the rest will be gone but so what.
Read a book! We pay a lot in taxes for Clackamas County libraries and we make great use of them. I have a Multnomah Co. library down the street from work and between the two we get free movies, books and TV shows. We keep a constant list of new and old shows, books & movies on hold and every week we get several in to watch or read on the weekends. Beats the high price of stale popcorn and noisy, seat kicking idiots at the theater too. And we have 2 to 3 weeks to watch whatever we get.
Cable and satellite are going the way of the dinos and the more people that cancel their service and complain the faster their demise will be. Good riddance!

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Yup, all gone... I was

Yup, all gone... I was irritated as I like USA and TNT, but oh well... least I now know why, thought the TV was croaking, glad it isn't.
did want to watch the series end of Monk though...
have said twice this week, guess I'll read even more than I do. I use dial up for the web so that's out. I'll start to find shows through Hulu etc, at the wi-fi spot I trust.

btw, even for basic the price goes up at the first of the year 2010, $12 something

it's a racket to be sure, but I'm in the valley, Salem, and I'd consistently heard the OTA signals are not good here. And an apartment complex to boot. Of course that was a year ago, maybe it's better now. sure would actually be bummed if I lost OPB by going ota.

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OPB seems to put out a strong signal

In my location, the Hillsboro area, the OPB OTA signal is stronger than any other channel. KATU signal is the weakest of the major nets.

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Go get an antenna

Hay in the mid valley over 30 channels FREE DIGITAL the networks, movie chanell 2.2, Spanish 8.2, 3 channels of OPB one is create most of the time, alter sports (cage matches etc) prime TV 60-90 shows 17.2, 22 has four channels 2 kids, 24 has 5 channels , 32 and 32.2 with sports , 49 and more coming. In PDX and Eugene many channels and no bill per month.

Ken

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What a crock

Encrypting the channels is a poor way to limit access to the channels.

Traps would filter out the frequency bands which had the restricted channels.

Ideally traps could still filter out the channels which people haven't paid for.

There's no sense using encryption.

My TV has a pefectly good QAM tuner, I want to use it. I won't use cable if they don't allow me to use my QAM tuner. I will move to OTA programming, why do I need to pay for this crap?

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dropped cable service

After many years subscribing, I dropped cable service due to this change. It's not worth it to me to have to hook up extra boxes and try to get them working with MythTV. A Netflix subscription is less money.

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Aaargh!

They've made my PC DVR useless again! Why?!? I'm glad this information has been posted here, as I was trying to figure out my options. The only reason we subscribe to comcast is to get the Blazer games on 37. Looks like the Blazers are going to stream those for a cost next year, so bye-bye, bad guys.

So let me get this straight...bad economy, people trying to save money, and Comcast removes options for their customers? Time to cancel.

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Comcast stinks! - Netflix is a good alternative

I recently purchased a couple of Atom based nettop boxes with Win7 for HDTV with ATSC tuners ClearQAM enabled and now with this recent change by Comcast it is time to say "See you later!" I will still get the high speed cable as that powers our home phone via Vonage, our home internet connection, and now NetFlix! For $8.99 a month I get streaming content and a 1 "rental" DVD at a time and with a small investment into a decent HDTV antenna I will get the standard HD channels OTA and can record OTA shows on my nettop boxes. Net of this all is that I won't get all of the channels, especially the kids channels, but the NetFlix option I get a lot more options for the kids and the wife than with Comcast at $60+ a month for their basic digital service, most of which I would not watch anyways.

Less money for Comcast, more in my pocket with better selection. Gotta love it. This move by Comcast opened my eyes to what else is out there and I have to day the streaming content from NetFlix isn't too bad AND you an have up to 6 registered devices and 2 streaming concurrently different shows from their service. Not bad.

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ScamCast

Hey Everyone - Wake Up!

Drop your ScamCast subscription and go satellite.

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nice thread

I stumbled across this and glad I did, useing a hauppauge 1199 QAM HD tuner card I can get CBS WMAQ WLS WGN WTTW and a few others in HD just through the basic cable, and get all the other in just plain digital using WINTV7, Media center in Windows 7 only get 37 channels . But you mean to tell me at one point you where able to get all of them in HD ?

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List of OTA channels in Eugene area?

Is there a way to find out what OTA channels are broadcasting in the Eugene/Springfield area and what antennas are best? I'm thinking about dropping cable, but want to know the options available between investing in an OTA roof top antenna or going with a satellite dish service. Cost is important.

Stumbled across this while trying to get info on recent service interruptions I have been having with comcast. I have limited basic connected to a QAM tuner with no digital converter box. Tried to contact them via webchat but no help there...(Is it too much to ask for a local service number to talk to someone about local service issues instead of someone several states away who is not familiar with local issues?) Have been experiencing intermittent interruption of all channels (including networks) except tvguide & discovery. Just missed half of Craig Ferguson due to this issue :(

Will stop by local comcast office and inquire about the A/B switch or see if they offer any other devices as part of limited basic without additional cost. If they stated before the digital switchover that "no additional equipment would be required for existing cable customers", they should stick to that!

I had always wondered why I received all those digital subchannels when I got my new TV. I could never find any info and even asked a comcast service tech but they had no info. Thanks to BradTaylor1 for posting the above info, so now I know!

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QAM channels all gone...

Dang it...I had my head in the sand and only thought Comcast was dropping all the analog 30-99 cable channels not the QAM ones. And lo tonight they are all gone and stubbled on this thread...which explains what is happening far better than what Comcast sent out in the mail.

I'd like to just drop'em but sports, USA, and Bravo would keep me bound to yet another device to plug in, connect and have a remote for...plus I'm really pissed that I could have been paying for basic cable for the past 2 years while my QAM TVs were getting all the Expanded channels too...those savings would have made this all less painful.

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Would go to limited basic but my bf needs the Sports

I'd be happy to go to limited basic and give up all the crap that Comcast is shoving down our throats, but my boyfriend needs the sports channels.

With this change we are paying more and getting less. You have to rent a Comcast DVR if you want to record anything over channel 30. Cablecard is really only a choice for PC recording because the only recording device I can find is Tivo which also has a service fee. We have more TV's than what receivers are included without a charge and then you must use two remotes. They could at least provide a good universal remote.

I wish more recording devices came with a Cablecard slot. I love my DVR, but at least I can still record the basic stuff which is mostly what I watch.

I agree this should be regulated as a public utility.

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